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READ: How did Satan sin if there are no sins in heaven? (I’m a Christian)


This is an interactive question,  many people have ask this question,  but now we've gotten not one,  nor two but many answers that gives and help to clearly understand everything in this question,  many professors men of God came together and gave full explanation to this. Grab your sit and take your time to read every word here,  you will now know everything you need to.
DirkJ Soren, gave the first answer.  In his answer he tried to make people understand God loves his creations.
Ever heard of ‘freewill’?
God wants the true love of his creations. You can’t have that if they have no choice other than to love God, your Creator. Love can not be faked by robots. God is Pure Love. Something we can only scratch the surface in understanding.
The problem with Satan, originally known as Lucifer, the Star of the Morning, is that he was beautiful in all ways. God had made him outstanding in every aspect among all the Angels. Further, he made Lucifer a Covering Cherub, which basically means he stood next to the manifestation of God and was also in charge of the Law of God. Lucifer was an expert upon the Law of God. (Think about that. Do you find it somewhat frightening to realize the main tempter is an expert on God’s Law?)
But, let’s look at the description of the earthly Ark which tells a symbolic story in itself like the whole earthly sanctuary did. It had two Cherubs, a special kind of angel, both using their wings spread toward each other to shelter the manifestation of God that appeared over over the mercy seat, while their own heads and gaze was turned downward toward the mercy seat’s surface as though they were looking through it to where Ten Commandments, the heart of the Law of God, was held in the heart of this throne on earth.
Unfortunately, Lucifer became so enamored with himself and God’s gifts to himself that he began to think that really, he should have the Son of God’s place. He believed he should be God. He held these sinful thoughts in his heart until they broke out, with him leading a rebellion in heaven, ending with the true Son of God leading the unfallen Angels to throw them out of heaven and eventually cast them to Earth, the newest planet, where Satan could attempt to prove the claims he had made against God and the merits of the lies he posed as truth to the Angels and the Universe. Earth became a court room, and unfortunately rather than being a quick ending for Satan, he managed to displace Adam as the prince of this world, by Adam and Eve submitting to his rule through their own sin of disobeying God.
Here, briefly, is what God said about the fall of Lucifer taken from Ezekiel 28:
(Ezekiel 28:15-19 [KJV]) “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.”
By the way, that part at the end about bringing forth a fire from the midst of thee is the hellfire that Satan wants each of us to share with him for our rebellion against God, because Satan hates God and wants to hurt Him as much as possible by causing the loss of a vast multitude of God’s Children on this planet.
The short answer is, God is Love and Love risks everything to grant Free Will, but Love also protects God’s Kingdom from the disease of Sin which always seeks to destroy others.
James Rosten  gave his own answer, he said.....
I met Jesus early in life. I like him, but getting to know him takes a lifetime.
There is a false assumption present here. “There are no sins in heaven” is incorrect. Sin is always possible where ever an independent sentient being exists. In order for a sin to occur, there has to be a clear law, or definition. For instance, if I go through an intersection without stopping, I have not broken a law. But if a stop sign is erected, then I am breaking a law. The action is identical, going through the intersection. The only change is the expression of the regulation. In fact, this is true in heaven and earth. Romans 5:13 says “Where there is no law, there is no sin imputed”. If this were the end of it, what would be the issue? Romans 5:14 continues “Nevertheless death reigned…
A tragic accident at the intersection is often the reason traffic control decided to put up the stop sign. The stop sign is not evil, and most of the time, going through the intersection without stopping does not result in an accident. So why, when nothing is wrong, am I now in violation for going through an empty intersection? It is because problems may occur when we least expect it.
Satan became Satan over a disagreement with God. The exact nature of that disagreement is hard to prove from scripture but we have some clues. Isaiah 14 seems to indicate pride and ambition, arrogance and a willingness to promote himself over others. Ezekiel 28 backs this up with indications that he was blinded by obsession over his own God-given abilities. When we forget the source of our abilities, it is easy to compare ourselves with less gifted people and think more highly of ourselves than we should. “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” We are to “by love serve one another”.
The second thing required in sin is a victim. In heaven it would have been hard for Satan to have found anyone to victimize, since everyone there was immortal and impervious to harm. Without a law, and without a victim, Satan’s sinfulness could not be lawfully addressed. Call it a mistake. Call it a crime, but whatever you call it, Satan targeted Adam and Eve. He used a deceptive approach to undermine their new lives and their potential relationship with God. Being unsuccessful would have made him instantly vulnerable to prosecution, if you think of it in legal terms. But he was not unsuccessful. As a result, he is guilty, but he became the titular head, for practical purposes, of the human family, and if Satan were to be judged, so also would be mankind. God in His holiness cannot judge one sinner but arbitrarily pardon another. The entire salvation play deals with this situation. When the day of probation for mankind ends, the day of tolerance for Satan ends with it. When Jesus went to the cross, and died for the sins of the world, man was given the possibility of grace, justice for man having been met. In effect, God took full responsibility for the sins of man, and the fact that we were taken advantage of by this evil interloper. Satan is now on borrowed time. The Book of Revelation chapter 12 tells us that “Satan is cast down to the earth, having great wrath, for he knows his time is short.” He is fighting for all the marbles now. It is like the Grand Masters Chess Game of the Universe.
When it is over, sin will still be possible in heaven, but there will be no one there who has not seen its effects. The place will be populated by angels and people who are totally dedicated to doing good with a sense of right and wrong that has been acquired because we went through this age.
There are many mysteries here. No one has all the answers. It may well be that God has allowed this to play out to obtain this very result.
It does not change one thing though. We still have a destiny of our own to determine, and we have examples before us both good and bad.
Jerrin Abraham. Added that
Sin is lifeless, pure darkness and void, whereas God is full of life and every good things are from him.
The best way to understand sin is to Study the behavior of a Virus. Yes a Virus. Virus is lifeless unless it get a host having life. Same in the case with Sin. Lucifer is the creation of God full of light and delight.
Cain didn't sin until he killed his brother, God gave him a warning or advise.
Genesis
4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
From this we can understand that dissappointment, doubt and frustration happes which is not a sin, rather a channel for sin to enter. Lucifer may went through frustration of being what he is, he wanted to be equal and supreme like God.
There are two factors come up at the same time for sin. one hand the dissappointment frustration, doubt, etc. on the other hand Desire for alternate pleasure or satisfaction away from the goodness of God.
James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
To defeat these channels is only by pure Faith on God.
Now Lucifer is not the sin, Sin occupied Lucifer and as migty he is, darkness made the might his slave.
Jay Carroll
Former Atheist, Whom God showed Mercy one day in June 1983 broke everything down in pieces,  he said that.......
I think you misunderstand what is meant by saying there is no sin in heaven, it means there is no longer sin allowed in heaven because after the Angel known as the Devil became the Devil, and then caused 1/3 of the angels to fall with him, it’s believed God rewarded the good angels by actualizing them to the good, or removing their ability to sin anymore, and we also believe that is the same for those men and women, who are granted God’s grace to be in his presence by the sacrifice of his son, once they die and go to heaven as well.
Now just so you know what sin actually is and where our definition of sin actually comes from please allow me to explain. In the 5th century dualism was starting to slip in to the church because both gnostics and pagans held to it. So St. Augustine had to articulate why it was a false dichotomy that light couldn’t exist without darkness, and or good without evil. Augustine stated that everyone had it wrong that evil was not a force unto itself but rather evil was merely the absence of light.
So if God is the pinnacle of all that is good, perfect and right, then falling short of that at any level would constitute bad or, sin, and so the father away from God’s perfection, the thought or action was, the more darkness or evil the action thought would be considered.
Therefore when God made both men and angels if they were to have any freedom of their will to act or act otherwise, they would have the ability by virtue of mere existence to fall short of God’s perfection i.e. they would therefore have the ability to sin.
So when one starts to ponder to prideful or evil things as did the seraphim called the light bearer or Lucifer, that’s the start of sin, and once he acted on those sinful thoughts, by convincing other angels to join him in rebellion against God, he had sinned. So God knowing all this in advance, was to happen, acted and they all fell, or rather he cast them out of heaven.
Now how did God know they would act, it’s simple, He naturally exists in the eternal, outside of time, so the very first thing he would have created was time, and before creating even one thing, angel , creature, or man. He had decided which sins and evil to allow, and which ones to restrain. So the fall of both the Angels and of man was one of those things he decided to allow, and in the case of mankind, actually made sure where it would happen and how he would redeem us through the work of his son. Jesus Christ
Jan-Christoph Schlage-Puchta
Professor for Mathematics at University of Rostock
Voices his own views
The story that Lucifer tried to overthrow God is not the original version. After the creation of human beings angels were tempted to have intercourse with humans. So technically their sin was committed on earth, not in heaven.
This is described in the book Henoch, which is not part of the canonical scripture in most Christian churches, but considered canonical in the Ethiopian church. However, it (or its content in some form) was known to all educated Jews and early Christians, and the canonical writings in the younger parts of the old testament, the gospels, and the apocalypse refer to it quite often.
The modern believe is a mixture of the Jewish-Christian tradition and Greek mythology, and was probably created somewhere between 300 and 400.
Thomas Galyen
former Retired From USN/USNR as a Fire Control Technician (1964-1984)
Started his own explanation with a bible verse,  for clear understanding. He said that....
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Ezekiel 28:11–19 records how Satan sinned. The King of Tyre is actually Lucifer. Notice in verse the reference to him having been in Eden. No earthly King was ever there, but Lucifer (Satan) was. Verse 17 explains his exact sin. “Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you. - Ezekiel 28:17”
If you want to understand just exactly what that sin was you can look at Isaiah 14:12–15. Here the writer lists Satans 5 “I wills.”
I will ascend to the heavens.
I will set my throne on high.
I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north.
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.
I will make myself like the most high.
Notice how each “I will” gets worse then the previous one until you get to the 5th and worse when he states that he will make himself like the most high. The ultimate attempt at rebellion.
As I wrote this I could not help but note how this reads like the plot for the ulitimate “Game of Thrones.”
William La Chenal
William explain everything about Lucifer and clear understanding of the word SATAN
Note that Sin is a desert kingdom in the Levant, approximately on the exodus route. Not a pleasant place, I understand, hot, rocky & dry.
Satan is quite an interesting word. In Sanskrit, the root word is sat, which means this name is about truth. There is a well known mudra/ mantra known as sa ta na ma. It is usually counted on the fingers.
Kirtan Kriya for Evolutionary Change (kundalini yoga org)
explains:
SAT NAM seeds the truth in our consciousness by waking us up to our divine identity. SAT NAM is the seed or bij mantra.
SA TA NA MA incorporates the nuclear sounds of SAT NAM. SA TA NA MA uses the primal sounds to connect us to the evolutionary nature of existence itself. It is referred to as the panch shabd, which means a mantra with five sound currents. The fifth sound is "A." When we chant SA TA NA MA we imprint the evolutionary code of the universe into our human psyche.
SA is the beginning, infinity, the totality of everything that ever was, is or will be.
TA is life, existence and creativity that manifests from infinity.
NA is death, change and the transformation of consciousness.
MA is rebirth, regeneration and resurrection which allows us to consciously experience the joy of the infinite.
It seems possible that identifying Satan with evil may have come from trying to exclude those who were heard practising sa ta na ma, in an attempt to exclude their competing religion. All about market share, not an unusual thing in religious completion.
Furthermore, it looks as if Satan’s big transgression was to bring truth to mankind, perhaps removing the essence of childlike belief.
Lucifer too , remember, means the light-bringer. And Light is good.
Someone doesn’t want the Truth told.
And lastly Hanna Elizabeth concluded everything with her explanation on the supremacy of God's name and his presence
Hanna Elizabeth Seariac
Research Assistant for 2nd Corinthians Commentary
Theologically speaking, heaven is a place where no sinner can remain, which is why Satan (previously the archangel Lucifer) was cast out of heaven. Heaven is a place where there is free will. God ordained free will for both humans and angels, which is why Satan had the capacity to sin. Heaven cannot have sin within it, but angels in heaven still had (and have) the capacity to sin because God does not take away free will. Impurity must leave heaven, but that does not mean that no sin can occur there, it just doesn’t remain. In other words, the question has an incorrect premise. Sin can occur in heaven, but if you are the sinner, you will be cast out by God because He is omniscient.
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